Episode 27: Erin Levzow
Rachel Kobus 0:09
Welcome to Redbird buzz. I'm Rachel Kobus from alumni engagement. Erin Levzow left ISU with a bachelor's degree in hand and whatever she could fit in her car as she headed out west and soon found herself in the bright lights of Las Vegas. The theater major had no clue what was in store for her in the coming years and she took what she learned in college and applied it to a career in marketing technology. Caesars Entertainment, MGM Resorts Wingstop, Freebirds world burrito are just a few places that have been impacted by Aaron's creativity, drive and willingness to learn. Now the Chief Marketing Officer for the museum of ice cream, Erin is here to share her journey and some life lessons she's gathered as a collector of experiences.
We're excited to have Erin Levzow with us here today. So Erin, what's the word red bird? Tell us a little bit about yourself. Good. She laughs at me.
Erin Levzow 1:04
Thanks for having me. Well, Erin Levzow, graduating class of 2006 at Illinois State and excited to be here today. I currently work as the Chief Marketing Officer for museum of ice cream and have worked everywhere. I grew up in Illinois, been in Vegas, Dallas, Austin, and now we live up in Wisconsin.
Rachel Kobus 1:29
Yes, I know you. I'm very excited to have Erin with us and talk about your career as a young professional and a young female professional on top of that, too. And also, it's just a very interesting path that you've taken. And I feel like I'm a little repetitious because Erin has also been on a lot of podcasts I found out from all my research. But if you have just a unique, interesting story, because and that's why I want to kick us off as you started as a theater major at ISU. So what got you into that was the path you started with. And that's the degree you earned too so as a theater major, what's that all about? Let's talk about it.
Erin Levzow 2:06
Well, a theater degree I think will get you really far in life no matter what you decide to do. But I did study theater. I had always done theater. I grew up--in eighth grade, I realized this was something I was going to do the rest of my life as far as I was concerned, went through ISU studying theater, I even worked at the Center for the Performing Arts in the box office and as the house manager. So I was just immersed in theater all the time. And then when I graduated, I packed up my car with what could fit in it. And which wasn't a lot. It was very small car and drove out west thinking I would land in LA, got to Vegas realized I really couldn't afford LA --I had $800. And in Vegas, I could afford a really really, really crappy apartment in a really bad area that I got for two months for $600 because they'd found a dead body in it. Oh my god. I bought $100 mattress off of the back of some guy's truck, no box springs because I didn't know what they were. And then I ate Jack in the Box until I can find a job. My first job actually was being a psych evaluator and office manager for a psychologist which just paid the bills--like it literally gave me more money to eat more Jack in the Box is really what it did. And then I landed a job as a box office supervisor at Bally's Paris Rio, which was very exciting. I'm working back in theater and working with the David Hasselhoff and the Tony Danzas and like kind of mid level celebrities and working with touring Broadway shows and I loved every minute of it. And then I took a a management course that Caesars offered. And they said I was a natural trainer and training is like being on stage. Okay. Did I want to join the training team? And I was like, absolutely. So I joined as the Training Coordinator and worked my way up for all of Caesars corporate; traveled around, went to Atlantic City, all these things and it was very young, didn't know what I didn't know. And then the recession hit and when the recession hit in a way. Everybody was losing their job. Vegas got hit really hard. I kept being told I was saved. And then they said, You know what? You don't need trainers when you're not hiring employees, right? We're actually laying off and so I found myself without a job and they said, what, what do you want to do? And I was like, oh, anything? I'll clean rooms like what do you need? And I just bought my first house, which was a poor decision as well, but that fast forward to later foreshadowing. And I said, Whatever you have, and they said, What do you know about internet marketing? And at the time, I said, Well, I have the Facebook, which just so everyone knows it was that you had to like actually type in t-h-e. It's like when it rolled out at ISU for us during that time, we had like you connected with your professors. That's what Facebook was. And like, you could like, drop something, but it wasn't like on someone's wall. It was very different and how it was set up, you could like they wanted you to like, upload your whole college course schedule on it. Anyway. Um, there was really no, no, yeah, right. There was no reason for the woman who hired me to hire me. She said, and she said it to me. She goes, there's no reason to hire you. You know nothing about internet marketing. And I said, you are correct. But I can memorize things really well, right theater. I never give up--theater. And I will work my butt off for you. Plus, I'm from the Midwest. And from what I can tell Midwest people have a better work ethic. And I just assumed like this was I was shooting my shot, right? Like, take the risk, take the leap. And she looks at me and she goes, Oh, you think so? And I thought, Oh, crap. And she goes, Well, I'm from Michigan. And I actually completely agree with that. You can start and she will allow me to start on December 26. And I was like, okay, whatever you need me and so worked my way up. And that was the beginning of my marketing career. And I went from Caesars to MGM, the palms, where I lead marketing, and then we decided to move out of Las Vegas, went to Dallas worked at Wingstop restaurants. Wingstop led me to be the CMO at Freebirds world burrito in Austin. Then I led the entire vertical for Hathaway agency which is now bounteous doing CRM, loyalty, marketing, and working with just about any restaurant that you can imagine L'Oreal Moet Hennessy Chandon. And then after all of that, we were recruited up to Wisconsin, where I was the CMO of Marcus Hotels and Resorts built a beautiful branded art themed hotel with a theater in it. So it's all the way back, and then took a job working for Del Taco, which then merged with Jack in the Box as the vice president of marketing technology. So that Jack in the Box I ate at the beginning, full circle to Jack in the Box again. And finally now took the position as the Chief Marketing Officer for museum of ice cream and figure eight brands.
Rachel Kobus 7:26
We're done with the interview, everybody, thank you have a nice day. Oh, there you go. Okay, and I can I hope I could ask this question, because Aaron just explained all of that. And Aaron, how old are you?
Erin Levzow 7:37
Oh, God, I'm, I'm 39.
Rachel Kobus 7:40
I don't, but all that. Well, Oh, that. Oh, yeah. Gosh, you're only three years older than me. And I've lived in Illinois my whole life, which is a good thing. I enjoy it. I love what I do. But I That's amazing. And I just love that. It's basically like, you could probably sit in an elevator who has a really tall elevator in Vegas and give that whole spiel to somebody too. So it's a really good Vegas elevator speech. Yes, you could say that. But, but it really did. So I'm going back to my original question like you started as a theater major. And like you gave all those examples of just how theater and that degree from ISU and I wanted to bring into it wasn't just I mean, classes, we always say are very important. But think you were involved with theater of Ted. And like you said, the box office. So just having all those experiences as a theater major. And if 39 meaning the word vice president the word you know, CMO comes out of your story over and over again. It's it's incredible. So I'm gonna say that and then Good night.
Erin Levzow 8:50
Yeah, theater of Ted was amazing. So the whole model is dare to suck. And I would show up at midnight. And it took me a long time to actually be willing to dare to suck. But I did. And it was such a community, and uplifting and that's theater gives you like fast friends, and you are all there. You're all so different. And you're all eclectic. But you all are there for the same reason. And what, really to the core, even though we all look and act differently. It's the love that we lead with. And that's what I find in theater majors. And I'd be hard pressed like if someone comes up and introduce them to self to me, I can pretty quickly tell if they're a fine arts person based on how they emote their energy. Theatre people are just different. So Ted was wonderful for that. Yes, the Center for the Performing Arts, like everybody needs that job to earn extra money during college or at least I did. And to be able to stay in the theater to be able to be around theater all the time and still be earning money as a college student is just phenomenal as well as the management experience that gave me because I oversaw the ushers and staff. So it was wonderful. And then the being able to learn from the faculty that led it as well. Yeah, no,
Rachel Kobus 10:15
I love it. And it's just funny I, that's why I had to say theater of Ted too, just from everything you've done. It's the you don't suck, but the dare to suck the day or the you know, taking the chance and saying yes to everything and not being afraid, like that's coming out of your background, and obviously, in everything that you do, too, so. And that's kind of what I was gonna lead into is how you use this theater degree. And again, we've seen all your jobs and the progression. But how do you use this theater degree to really up your skills in the marketing world?
Erin Levzow 10:46
Well, I think theater degrees in general, give you a couple things, public speaking, one of them, easiest, right? Public speaking, how you present yourself, what your body language says, those are all like, basic theater, things you're going to learn. But many people in the executive world haven't necessarily learned them. And in fact, a lot of times, I'll hear someone say like, Oh, should executives take public speaking courses? And I go, Oh, I did for four years. Being able to take rejection, right? Not every idea and marketing or any job is going to be perfect. And being able to take the risk, because sometimes I'm not right for the role. Sometimes I'm not right for the marketing role. Who knows. But there's a lot of things flexibility, being able to adapt, being able to understand different people. And then I think a big one is, when you work in theater, in order to do well, you need to understand how all the different pieces of theatre come together, the director, the stage manager, the actors, the back of house, the costume, it all has a place. And in business, the same thing happens, you can't just look at your one silo and go, Oh, marketing is doing so great. No, you need to have an understanding for operations, HR people and culture. All the different umbrellas inside of business. So I think there are a lot of things that theater has taught me, in fact, I would encourage anyone, if they're like, Ah, I don't know what I'm going to do with my theater degree, you can do anything, you can literally do anything, in business or otherwise. And it teaches you so much. So I'm very, very blessed to have that. And I think when I think about my time at ISU, it taught me so much that I still use today. Yeah,
Rachel Kobus 12:33
it's true. And, you know, just even like you said, the extracurriculars you can get involved with. So even if you were a theater major, and you want to learn more about business, there's ways to get involved with that. And if you're a business major theater of Ted is open to anybody. So just trying to find that there's always something to take risks on as a student. And that leads into your time in postgraduate work, too, and your career whatnot. So and obviously, for yours, you've taken a lot of risks, you've dare to suck, and you dare to succeed. And you know what I found just researching you, Erin, because that's what I do for my job is I research everybody to make sure you know, find out what you do like a weird LinkedIn stalker. So you've made a big impact in customer service and everything you've touched. So every place you've gone, I feel like I've just read how you've changed their culture, you've changed their the way they've thought when they come to the hospitality of the customer service the needs and wants of their customers. So how using what you've learned, how did you work so fast to do it? I mean, I feel like you're just on this fast track. So how did you do it? And how did you make that impact?
Erin Levzow 13:40
Honestly, so I think, Alright, I think what theater teaches you is it's what we call in business sprints. Right Sprint's are agile methodology, which is to, you sprint until you complete this. And any show that you do in theater is a sprint, right? Yeah. And then we all the show closes, we all get sick for a day and then you sprint again, right? That's just what happens. Now, in business. That's how I treated everything. It's like we're gonna sprint, learn everything I can. And I always had this idea of like, this isn't the end, right? Like, what's next, right? What's next? What's going to happen? I mentor a lot of females in our space. And they always ask me, especially coming out of school, like, Oh, should I really? Should I do this? Or should they do this? And they're really contemplating things. And I'm like, do it why are you still thinking about it? Just go do it. Get the experience and move on. Worst case you hate it. Go do something else. Right. That is the opportunity we have but learn as much as you possibly can be curious. I love big fan of Ted Lasso. And when it said where he says Be curious, not judgmental. always been my model, right? Like every time I talked to someone I was like, be curious. Ask the questions. I'm not asking from a negative place. Why do we do it that way? Why are we looking at it? And, again, it helps to understand the full picture that way by asking those questions, but it also opens you up to things you might not know, I had a peer telling me the other day he goes, I always tell my team, you have to ask why twice. And I was like, what? And it's the same idea, which is, if someone says, gives you information, ask them why they're gonna give you a little bit more information. Ask them why again, you'll get all the information. And I was like, same idea, right? So be curious. Don't read it. Just learn as much as you possibly can lean into it and move fast. And for me, out of school, I didn't have kids. I had no risk, right. Other than the $800 I had in my car. Those were like, That's what I had. Um, what's the worst that could happen? I lose my car. I lose my $800, like that's it. There was no. Like, yeah, I had no kids. And no husband, like, there was nothing I was providing for. So that's your time to take as many risks as possible when someone's like, oh, I don't know if I should move, move. I don't know if I should do this. Go do it. Go try it. Worst case, you fail. Worst case. And then guess what? You learned something. And you can go try something new. And that's I'm, I call it collecting experiences. So when someone says like, it gives you an open mind too because when someone comes to you, and they're like, Well, have you had any experience with this? I probably have. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's a wonderful, wonderful place to be but you have to lean in and you have to don't second guess it-- just go. Worst case, it was the wrong decision. Great. Moving on. Is it the house, I bought the foreshadowing of the house about in Vegas, which now I've owned a lot of different houses. worst decision in my life recession hit, thought I was nine at the lowest of the low, it was half the price it was originally I was like, great. It dropped by another like three fourths of the price, I ended up having to go through the short sale process, also a good learning experience. But for all intents and purposes, that was a huge failure. But I learned a crab.
Rachel Kobus 17:08
Yep. And now, you know, probably four houses later. Now you know exactly what house you want at least six houses. Yeah. Um, but you know, as you go, and you learn, and you learn, especially in the marketing world, I think this is something I think I'm personally interested as a marketer too is that creative edge, you've learned to be creative to think outside the box. But how you know, and we talked a little bit before we started recording, you know, the Delia rewards program, and you know, all the other loyalty programs you've worked on in Vegas, and then now working at Museum of ice cream, it everything takes a lot of creativity, and a lot of that fast track movement, too. So at the same time, marketing can be draining. Marketing can just drain you and you give it your all, and it's like, Okay, now, what's next? So how do you keep that creative juice going? As a marketer, that's just always reaching and learning and collecting all those experiences? What's that kind of advice you can give?
Erin Levzow 18:06
I mean, everything you just said, as a marketer could be said for a theatre person to I would say that, how do I keep creativity alive, you have to take time and like, clear your brain more, go have a cocktail, or whatever it is, that allows you to unwind yourself and go, okay? Like, now I can be creative, or I can, or you put yourself in a group of people who are just naturally going to start brainstorming, right? And we've all been around those people who are like, we should try this and someone else's, like, we should try this and like, you're not gonna go jump off the bridge. But it starts to spawn creativity. I think of it a lot as I tell my team when we do brainstorming sessions, that yes and, right? the improv model. And I always give them the example of if you're an improv and someone says, Hey, I brought a goat to the party, you can't be like no eight in it, or that's a dumb idea or get that go down to here. You would be like, great, I brought my kangaroo that's so amazing. Like you. You're like, Yes, you did. And here's how I'm going to like, checkmate, that so that that's how brainstorming works. And that also builds creativity and excitement. And what fuels you and from a marketing perspective, how did you get there, it can be draining. But if you are set clear goals of what you want to achieve, and you see some progress to get there, or and you don't take failure as a bad thing. Then you're good to go. And you'll keep moving forward. I also think the people you surround yourself with means so much so you decide. And they say those statements of like, look around you, whoever you surround yourself with is what you'll become. And so I put myself in lots of different circles because I don't want to become anyone. I want to be me and so I want to be friends with all of them and Everybody, everybody
Rachel Kobus 20:02
Everyone wants to be friends with you, I'm sure to stop it. Yes, I do. I said it. So yes, it's true. But no, like, say creativity is important, especially for someone, again, in your career path, you've taken on new positions multiple times, too. So you have to continue to be creative and think of what's next. What's next. And, you know, that goes say, leading into, you know, the next part I want to talk about is, you've taken on new positions, you've taken on new position, when you worked with Del Taco have created a new position. And then now in this newly created position as Chief Marketing Officer for museum of ice cream, this huge new ice cream in a museum would just grow phenomenally and become viral. And it's just, it's fun to look at, and I still want to go visit. Like, especially in this digital world, you don't, you have to continue to be creative, you've taken on these new positions. So how does it feel to be the first person that has to come into these areas and say, Now, what do I do?
Erin Levzow 21:08
so there's no book, right? There's no like, when you take on a position that's already been filled, usually there's like, here's what your role is, here you go. The great thing about it, though, is I've had the ability to take the expectation and then design around it, and be able to create some of those things. So whether it's at Del Taco and creating the loyalty program for DelYeah rewards, and being able to go let's build something different or cool that after looking at rewards and loyalty outside of restaurants, and what actually drives them, whether it's Southwest and American Airlines, or Vegas loyalty, which I have experienced in right collector experiences, I'm able to use those to build a really, really amazing loyalty, structure and architecture. And then for I don't know, Museum of ice cream. Our mission is to unite and inspire through imagination and connection, you don't hear it say to unite through ice cream, it's to unite and inspire through imagination and connection, human connection. And so we actually want people to put your phone down like get to know each other, look at each other be seen that has so much transcend so much more than ice cream. And ice cream happens to be the channel in which we get you there because we want you to come and immerse yourself and play like a kid again, and eat ice cream and you want to talk about being creative. You get an adult to play like a kid, creativity just starts coming out. And you can't help it. And so when you're at that moment of your guard is down, you can have fun, you're doing things that remind you of your childhood, you're going to have fun Chicago, we have a museum of ice cream, I invite you all to Chicago, New York, Austin, Singapore, we just announced Miami, we're growing and growing fast as well as we will have other experiential concepts as well. But coming in and being able to work alongside an amazing team, and founders that are already in place to grow this brand, where we spread joy, we spread joy, that that to me is worth every minute of my time to focus on it. Because I don't necessarily think of myself as a marketer. I think of someone who gets to share a story, and a storyteller, and I happen to be able to do it through my expertise, which happens to be in marketing and technology. I get to share a story of why you visiting the museum of ice cream is going to leave you filled with joy. And ice cream. Yes, yeah,
Rachel Kobus 23:43
I love it. So who wouldn't want to take on new positions like that? Again, like you said, it's that collecting of experiences, and here's brand new experiences you get to look at and see from different points of view and get to be a part of and I just love that whole concept of storytelling on top of it as well, too. So and I guess you kind of share a little bit. So as you grow in these new position, and maybe your newest position as cmo for a museum of ice cream. So So what's next for you? What's next, maybe even in the Museum of ice cream that you could share? So
Erin Levzow 24:17
Well, we did just announce Miami. So that's really exciting. And we have more to announce soon as well as other experiential concepts this year. And then what's next for me? I'm gonna continue to grow with this company. I'm very excited about it. I will tell you though, no, at no point in my whole journey, if someone said, that horrible question that gets asked, Where do you see yourself in five or 10 years? Yeah, for 10 years. 10 years ago. I was 29 moved and years ago. It was 2013 10 years ago, I had just moved out of Las Vegas. I've done 100 things since then. And So that question, no, if you create a plan, it's that whole adage that like, God laughs when you think you have a plan, right? I've never been like, sure I've daydreamed about where I want to be. But I've never said, Oh, man, I'm definitely going to move to Wisconsin one day, and I'm in the work that it never even dawned on me that that was even an option at one point. So if you leave yourself open to experience, if you know that, hey, in the world, if this was a graph, I want to always be making progress up. I want to always be learning, leaning in taking the risk, you're going to do just fine. You don't have to know where the end is. But you need to enjoy the journey. And I still struggle with that, where I'm like, Oh, alright, where's this going? What's happening next? Versus being like, what am I enjoying about today? Right? What am I enjoying about this journey that I'm on? And I think some of that comes with experience, because right out of college, I was like, where am I going? What's next? Now I'm like, Why didn't I enjoy all those moments instead of looking around the corner? But if you lean in, and you just say yes, say yes. If someone brings you an opportunity, and they're like, you can learn this, you can work your way up, say yes. And lean in.
Rachel Kobus 26:19
Love it. So you know, you already answered my question. But I have to still say the last one of the last questions I wanted to ask. And I want everyone to know is, you know, Erin graciously decided to talk to us, but I wanted to talk to her because and I asked your age for a reason. Because you did just receive Illinois State University's Outstanding Young Alumni Award, and you've been recognized for, you know, from a variety of different organizations for all the work that you've done. And you've accomplished so much before, and our Young Alumni Award goes to anyone 40 or younger, so got to cut off good job, you. I'm sure you probably could have fit something else in and one more year and then been recognized at 40. Like, what a great 40 birthday present. But you have done so much, you know, personally, professionally. And I'm sure what you just said is something you would share with those that you're you mentor, but you know, more specifically, I you know, passionate about pushing, you know, women, female leaders. So what kind of advice do you share with young, you know, young professionals, yes, and young female professionals as they work to find their spot in the world and climbing on this fast track or, you know, a specific ladder, not plan because no plans people know, do what you want to do. But what kind of advice do you have for
Erin Levzow 27:36
them, it's the same, it's the lean in, and don't be afraid to take your seat at the table. And I had to fight each generation, the generation before me had to adapt to a man's world in order to get a seat at the table. My generation, I'm able to take the seat at the table, but I still have to fight to be there to be my authentic self. Hopefully, we've paved a bit of the way so that females that are coming out now just know to walk up and take the seat at the table. I was boardroom where a younger associate, sat in the back. And she was like, I was like, what are you doing? And she goes, Oh, I'll leave that chair for someone else. No, get up here. Like you were in this room first, sorry, they missed the meeting was at the table. And it was literally and figuratively. The example of take your seat at the table. It doesn't mean you have to pretend like you know everything. But if you are the expert, if you are learning if you're staying up, say what you have to say speak your mind. If you hear something, you don't have to be rude. But you could say, Hey, I've researched that here's what I know about the information and be okay putting it out there and feel strong and feel confident in it. I came up again as the generation where I was told that because I was direct and open that I would be called a lot of names as a female, that but my male peers would not be heard, they wouldn't be told that they were just strong and very clear leaders. And my hope against hope is that I've paved the way for that I just finished a panel on women in leadership recently. And I was asked the question, which is where do you want this conversation to be in five to 10 years and I said, I don't want to be having this conversation. And I don't want to be talking about how female leaders are not represented well enough. I don't want to be talking about gender bias or racial bias. I want us to truly be equal across the board on all things. But the to get there we have to call attention to it first in order to get to a level of equality. We are not there from a female or women's leadership perspective. You're not there in a lot of areas in business. Yeah, but We are calling attention to it. We are asking and seeking change. And I believe, and my hope is that it is better for the generation that comes after me than it was for me. And I know for a fact, it is better for me than the generation that came before me.
Rachel Kobus 30:18
Yeah, yeah. And we need people like you and you know, any type, you know, anyone in a leadership position to have these conversations, I think too, and to remind others that are working their way and want to be in these vice president roles, or just any, you know, just wanting to be a mentor for somebody else. It doesn't matter what role you're in, but just showing that this is the conversations we need to have. And if you don't have the conversation, nothing's going to change either. So
Erin Levzow 30:41
I was on a video call the other day, and my daughter, my daughter, my son came in and leaned in the call, and this is what we are now it's just a you blend it together. And I do not apologize for it because I worked my butt off. Yes, my family a big role takes a big role. And I think for any young females who are going into the workforce, don't apologize, walk in and own your space. And whatever your story is. Own your story. Same with negotiating job offers right own it. If you don't feel comfortable speaking up with your words, put it in writing, but own it.
Rachel Kobus 31:20
Great. Thanks, Erin. So my final question. Okay, now I feel like we've gotten all this serious, great moment. So I always have to end lightheartedly if you had to choose tacos, wings or ice cream,
Erin Levzow 31:34
Can I have them all like, sounds like maybe we're high. But if we're eating three of those, but now I so I have a sign in my office that says I can't make everyone happy. I'm not a taco boy tacos really do make everyone happy. They're delicious, too. And it's pure joy. I think I have to go with ice cream because there's so many different variations. Okay. This is a tough this. I mean, it's not. That's not even a fair race, right? Like,
well, they all should win
Rachel Kobus 32:10
maybe we shouldn't have worked in all these different amazing food industries. I wouldn't have to ask the question to you. 100% anyone asked like Jack in the Box or anything, anything like that? So I put just three things on the table for there's so
Erin Levzow 32:23
many good things like the breakfast tacos at Del Taco the mini tacos at Jack in the Box, the cheeseburger Jack and the like. I'm going to eat lunch after this guaranteed. Mint chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream. Oh, pick out all the cookie dough bites. Like, why is there still ice cream in here it was like because I already ate all the cookies out of it. That's the best wrap there was an ice cream that someone gave me at one of our museums the other day that was like unicorn with multi colors, caramel brownie bites, and like sprinkles in it. And at first you look at and you go, I don't know if that's gonna be good. And then you eat it and you're like, I'm never eating any other ice cream after that. And that's what's great is you get to try all these different flavors. And we do have gluten free like dairy free, vegan friendly, all of those type options too. I'm not gonna lie and say that I've tried them all because I'm not free, but they're there. I'm sure they're delicious.
Rachel Kobus 33:17
open to everybody. Well, well Erin, thank you for being with us today. We appreciate it and your words of wisdom, your you know the the path that you're taken. It's very inspirational. So I thank you again and I'm excited to see what's next and I hope a lot of our Redbirds can you know experience a lot you know what you've touched when it comes to all these different companies. You go visit Vegas think of Erin you go to Del Taco you go to Wingstop and more. You know recently, Chicago we have a lot of Redbirds in Chicago so museum Ice cream,
Erin Levzow 33:49
ice cream Chicago, New York. Let's go Let's go hang out. Yeah. Anyone who listens if you want to reach out to me if you want more advice, or if you want to tell me that you hated this podcast, you're welcome to reach
Rachel Kobus 33:59
out. Yeah, tell her Don't tell me. All right, Erin, thank you so
Erin Levzow 34:04
much. Of course Thank you
Rachel Kobus 34:20
That was 2006 School of Theater and Dance alum Erin Levzow, thanks for listening and tune in next time for more stories from beyond the quad
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